@benroyce @matt5sean3 Words aren't going to stop Israel. But. The candidate with the most chance of going beyond words was Harris. Any voter who had the continued existence of Palestine as their prime objective voted Democrat.
exactly
and some who said gaza was their concern and therefore not to vote are merely malicious trollfarm on social media working the electorate
but also, unfortunately, the completely stupid self-destructive toxic idealist is a real kind of person
which is why the trolls work this angle
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@benroyce @matt5sean3 I assume there’s also ppl whose identify is based on ‘Israel most be stopped’. If Israel actually were stopped, they’d need to get a new identity.
well that's the other issue
if harris/ biden, somehow, miraculously, were able to change the policies and actions of israel, you are dealing with people who would then move the goalposts and find some other reason to not do their social responsibility and vote
because they don't even really care about gaza. they care about making excuses for their entitlement
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So your position is that "if we give people what they want they won't vote for us anyway."
That's an awfully convenient way to absolve responsibility for not choosing more popular policies. Maybe there's some weird edge cases out there, the world is full of weirdos, but do you think there's a significant enough number that it would have flipped an election that unfortunately just was not that close.
@matt5sean3 @benroyce So we’re both agreed that the dems were better than Trump?
And we both agree they should have done more?
You claim to believe that it would have gained them more votes than it would have cost, while I doubt that is true.
So here we are. You believe they should have said more, “because it would have gotten them more votes”.
While i believe they should do more than talk, because it would be morally right.